Mechanical Problems

Tyrrell · Tyrrell

I don't think so.Modern electronic devices actually have fewer discrete components than older ones. There's less actual parts to fail, yet it fails anyway. Electronic equipment has changed quite a lot over the years. Cost cutting, as well as reductions for size and weight take a toll on reliabilit...

Aaron · Aaron

I'm really appalled at this thread, honestly. mpopeskov, unless you have some news for us, stop arguing. It's not getting you a free radio. If you have so much time to bitch about it, I suggest you sit down and take your radio apart. I did mine in less time than you took posting all that. It is NOT hard, it is...

Sly · Sly

like princess has said repeatedly, it's a machine. no machine will be 100% perfect. and when it comes to flaws and who is responsible for what fix, there has to be SOME cut off point. the warranty period is stated and regardless of what anyone feels should or shouldn't be done after that point, the fact r...

Garrett · Garrett

Well, this topic has sure been beaten to death, so I might as well whack the dead horse too. Honda has likely addressed the problem with the supplier - we'll see as the 04's, 05's and 06's come of age. No matter who OEMs the part in question - radio, seat belt, shock absorber - they have to answer to Honda, wh...

Colleen · Colleen

I still have the RCA TV that I called & got the free part on & it still works as designed. Unfortunately the black back then wasn't as black as now. It replaced a Curtis Mathis...now THAT was a TV!! State of the art 30 years ago!!! Made in TX! I t was still working like new when I donated it away just be...

Elspet · Elspet

I beg to differ here.I don't think that reliability has worsened because things are more complicated. I believe reliability has gotten worse due to cost cutting, for whatever reason. Your new VCR is not constructed as well as older ones are. Older ones used more sturdier, metal parts. Newer ones use...

Paise · Paise

Kinda funny..... is the glass half full or half empty??? When GE split the cost with me I was thrilled! I knew they didn't have to do a thing.... When Maytag split the cost with you, you were disappointed. There's no way to please all of us.... I guess that's what keeps those extended warranty companies i...

Evelina · Evelina

You guys south of 49 are lucky with your HCS and dealers. I had bad experience with both here in Canada in regard to that problem. I will still try with a letter to HCS. In meantime, before deciding to change the car, I will have to use a battery lamp to get information from the faulty Honda's radio.

Antony · Antony

point being, the car is out of warranty~try all of your options if you want it replaced free or reduced charge. yes, it would be terrific if honda would agree to fix it or replace it for a smaller than full fee price. but they are under no obligation to do so at this point. i dont care how many cases there are,...

Quintin · Quintin

When my GE washer quit just past warranty, I had to pay for the repairs even thought GE knew the part was going bad in lots of them. They cut me a deal when I called them to repeat what I was told by the tech. We split it 50/50. I felt good that they were willing to go above & beyond.... now ALL of my appliance...

Shanelle · Shanelle

Please pass this around as much as possible. Thanks to everyone who posted their stories of this problem here and on other boards, now I'd like to share my story. First of all, don't go wasting $300+ so quickly. I have an 03 EX and had this problem occur about a month ago. I searched the boards and found the...

Ormond · Ormond

Honda is not the manufacturer of many things in the car.But they sell it together as a complete package, which means they should be responsible for making sure that it works properly for you. YOU do not buy the radio from Alpine, Panasonic or Sony. You buy it as part of a car from Honda.Microsoft makes th...

Kailyn · Kailyn

may i re-raise the point that the radio is not a honda unit? yes, it is in a honda, therefore honda shares the respoinsibility for it, especially while under warranty. why not contact the manufacturer of the actual unit and complain about it's reliability and try to hold THEM accountable?? as far as i c...

Shaun · Shaun

Sure, stuff breaks. But if stuff breaks consistently at around the same time under the same conditions it's a design flaw. It means that the car was poorly manufactured from the start, and that it had this problem that would show up sooner or later. And we're not even talking about moving parts here - it...

Olive · Olive

cars break. cars are mass produced. MOST things that do fail, will fail on many of the cars of the particular model at one time or another. If manufacturers took responsibility like some people think they shoud, they would have to hike up the price of new cars significantly to offset the new "neve...

Maegan · Maegan

You are right. They are under no legal obligation to do the repair. The Government cares mostly about safety issues, because they are, well, safety issues.However, I do think that it's bad to have something fail consistently across the board outside of warranty and do absolutely nothing to make it r...

Cassia · Cassia

I messed up my laptop by corrupting the contents of the security EEPROM. IBM told me I would have to get a new system board and it would cost $900 + labor. I researched the problem and built an EEPROM writer and reflashed my security EEPROM and my laptop works fine. Total cost for parts was less than $30 and...

Fannie · Fannie

they take responsibility within the warranty period, then you have the option for an extended warranty. just because there is a tsb does not mean that every single car will do it and it isn't safety related, so why would they after the warranty period is over??

Jonie · Jonie

I'm not making light of the problem....it sucks to have ANY part go out after warranty!! But to refuse to ever buy a product again because of a part they didn't make & apparently have a fix for...seems a bit extreme! The newer ones aren't doing it because the manufacturer got their act together. Hon...

Alene · Alene

I found that Honda knows about the problem with the radio in all Accords 2003 and in some Accords 2004. They issued Service Bulletin in July 2004 that describes the problem. But they also decided not to inform owners of vehicles about the problem. Instead they wait for the problem to occur and if the car...

Lyndi · Lyndi

You didn't read carefuly. The radio is not broken. The radio works perfectly. I just cannot see what the station is radio on and what is the time. So if you didn't understand analogy I am sorry for you. I agree this is not crucial to driving a car but it is crucial, at least for me, who I will buy car from.

Alysha · Alysha

Exactly. That's what's frustrating to me -- I've seen nothing, anywhere, regarding anyone ever opening up the center stack, doing something along the lines of undoing three screws to take the unit out, unhooking a few cables, taking off the back cover (if any such thing even exists), locating the bu...

Shevon · Shevon

This, in my not so humble opinion, is inexcusable in this day and age. Lighting sysems for LCD screens are child's play - no valid reason why Alpine (or whoever is OEM'ing to Honda) can't design a more reliable system. I work in aerospace - trust me when I say that this sort of thing would have a bunch of fol...

Francine · Francine

If you are SO SURE it's just the light, why don't you open the unit yourself and change the bulbs? I've changed my fair share of bulbs in radio/audio/video equipment already. It's not really that hard and you can order replacement bulbs from mouser, digikey or even radioshack. I'm sorry, but I do think...

Meghan · Meghan

You never have to get anything diagnosed by them.... you can go & say replace THIS part. In this case, "replace the radio with refurbished". The part has the same warranty as it would if THEY decided to replace it. Lots of people are "sure" they know what's wrong & just ha...

Homer · Homer

That is the problem. It's NOT a minor repair but it IS a minor problem. I call that bad design. And whoever makes that unit, it is responsibility of Honda.My point is that they don't need to run any diagnostic for a problem that is very obvious and was already reported by who knows how many customers.

Brent · Brent

$300 is a pretty good deal for one of these radios. They're quite complex. That said, you might still lean on them a little harder on the price. I've read quite a few cases here and elsewhere of Honda splitting parts/labor or covering all parts/no labor for this problem. And it does seem as though they'v...

Amedeus · Amedeus

But it's NOT a minor repair! It's the whole audio system! It's tied into the climate control & all the things you aren't able to read on the screen. They can't just replace a bulb... they HAVE to replace the whole thing. It's not even made by Honda. So I guess it's Alpine or whoever made the box's fault...

Micheal · Micheal

just because there are common problems, does not mean they get fixed free once you're out of warranty. sometimes they'll help you out and it's great when they will, but bottom line, if you're out of warranty, it's your responsibility to pay for repairs, although $95 to look at it is absolutely absurd....

Marge · Marge

I bought Honda Accord, model EX, in April 2003. The problem that occurred a few days ago was that backlight of Clock/Radio/CD/Climate display went off. Every component of the unit works properly, but I cannot see information on dashboard. I called my dealership and they told me that just to determin...

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	Modern electronic devices actually (Preview) I don't think so.Modern electronic devices actually have fewer discrete components than older ones. There's less actual parts to fail, yet it fails anyway. Electronic equipment has changed quite a lot over the years. Cost cutting, as well as reductions for size and weight take a toll on reliabilit...	Tyrrell	0	242	Apr 10, 2008 by Tyrrell
	Hondas for a lower price (Preview) I'm really appalled at this thread, honestly. mpopeskov, unless you have some news for us, stop arguing. It's not getting you a free radio. If you have so much time to bitch about it, I suggest you sit down and take your radio apart. I did mine in less time than you took posting all that. It is NOT hard, it is...	Aaron	0	247	Apr 10, 2008 by Aaron
	no machine will be 100% perfect (Preview) like princess has said repeatedly, it's a machine. no machine will be 100% perfect. and when it comes to flaws and who is responsible for what fix, there has to be SOME cut off point. the warranty period is stated and regardless of what anyone feels should or shouldn't be done after that point, the fact r...	Sly	0	248	Apr 10, 2008 by Sly
	the CD drive/transport system (Preview) Well, this topic has sure been beaten to death, so I might as well whack the dead horse too. Honda has likely addressed the problem with the supplier - we'll see as the 04's, 05's and 06's come of age. No matter who OEMs the part in question - radio, seat belt, shock absorber - they have to answer to Honda, wh...	Garrett	0	262	Apr 8, 2008 by Garrett
	free part on & it still works as designed (Preview) I still have the RCA TV that I called & got the free part on & it still works as designed. Unfortunately the black back then wasn't as black as now. It replaced a Curtis Mathis...now THAT was a TV!! State of the art 30 years ago!!! Made in TX! I t was still working like new when I donated it away just be...	Colleen	0	276	Apr 8, 2008 by Colleen
	Safety problems KILL people (Preview) I beg to differ here.I don't think that reliability has worsened because things are more complicated. I believe reliability has gotten worse due to cost cutting, for whatever reason. Your new VCR is not constructed as well as older ones are. Older ones used more sturdier, metal parts. Newer ones use...	Elspet	0	256	Apr 8, 2008 by Elspet
	Goodwill repairs aren't "secrets". (Preview) Kinda funny..... is the glass half full or half empty??? When GE split the cost with me I was thrilled! I knew they didn't have to do a thing.... When Maytag split the cost with you, you were disappointed. There's no way to please all of us.... I guess that's what keeps those extended warranty companies i...	Paise	0	249	Apr 8, 2008 by Paise
	a battery lamp (Preview) You guys south of 49 are lucky with your HCS and dealers. I had bad experience with both here in Canada in regard to that problem. I will still try with a letter to HCS. In meantime, before deciding to change the car, I will have to use a battery lamp to get information from the faulty Honda's radio.	Evelina	0	251	Apr 8, 2008 by Evelina
	file a complaint in PAPER form with honda (Preview) point being, the car is out of warranty~try all of your options if you want it replaced free or reduced charge. yes, it would be terrific if honda would agree to fix it or replace it for a smaller than full fee price. but they are under no obligation to do so at this point. i dont care how many cases there are,...	Antony	0	290	Apr 8, 2008 by Antony
	They sent me the new part for free! (Preview) When my GE washer quit just past warranty, I had to pay for the repairs even thought GE knew the part was going bad in lots of them. They cut me a deal when I called them to repeat what I was told by the tech. We split it 50/50. I felt good that they were willing to go above & beyond.... now ALL of my appliance...	Quintin	0	243	Apr 8, 2008 by Quintin
	people called Honda Cust Service (Preview) Please pass this around as much as possible. Thanks to everyone who posted their stories of this problem here and on other boards, now I'd like to share my story. First of all, don't go wasting $300+ so quickly. I have an 03 EX and had this problem occur about a month ago. I searched the boards and found the...	Shanelle	0	264	Apr 8, 2008 by Shanelle
	You buy it as part of a car from Honda (Preview) Honda is not the manufacturer of many things in the car.But they sell it together as a complete package, which means they should be responsible for making sure that it works properly for you. YOU do not buy the radio from Alpine, Panasonic or Sony. You buy it as part of a car from Honda.Microsoft makes th...	Ormond	0	254	Apr 8, 2008 by Ormond
	while the cars are under waranty (Preview) may i re-raise the point that the radio is not a honda unit? yes, it is in a honda, therefore honda shares the respoinsibility for it, especially while under warranty. why not contact the manufacturer of the actual unit and complain about it's reliability and try to hold THEM accountable?? as far as i c...	Kailyn	0	222	Apr 8, 2008 by Kailyn
	Design flaw (Preview) Sure, stuff breaks. But if stuff breaks consistently at around the same time under the same conditions it's a design flaw. It means that the car was poorly manufactured from the start, and that it had this problem that would show up sooner or later. And we're not even talking about moving parts here - it...	Shaun	0	298	Apr 8, 2008 by Shaun
	"never ending" warranty on certain (Preview) cars break. cars are mass produced. MOST things that do fail, will fail on many of the cars of the particular model at one time or another. If manufacturers took responsibility like some people think they shoud, they would have to hike up the price of new cars significantly to offset the new "neve...	Olive	0	255	Apr 8, 2008 by Olive
	Battery replacement program (Preview) You are right. They are under no legal obligation to do the repair. The Government cares mostly about safety issues, because they are, well, safety issues.However, I do think that it's bad to have something fail consistently across the board outside of warranty and do absolutely nothing to make it r...	Maegan	0	232	Apr 8, 2008 by Maegan
	So honestly I think the problem isn't worth $300 to repair (Preview) I messed up my laptop by corrupting the contents of the security EEPROM. IBM told me I would have to get a new system board and it would cost $900 + labor. I researched the problem and built an EEPROM writer and reflashed my security EEPROM and my laptop works fine. Total cost for parts was less than $30 and...	Cassia	0	272	Apr 8, 2008 by Cassia
	every single car will do it and it isn't safety related (Preview) they take responsibility within the warranty period, then you have the option for an extended warranty. just because there is a tsb does not mean that every single car will do it and it isn't safety related, so why would they after the warranty period is over??	Fannie	0	244	Apr 8, 2008 by Fannie
	The problem isn't the SCREEN thing it's in the BOX part...... (Preview) I'm not making light of the problem....it sucks to have ANY part go out after warranty!! But to refuse to ever buy a product again because of a part they didn't make & apparently have a fix for...seems a bit extreme! The newer ones aren't doing it because the manufacturer got their act together. Hon...	Jonie	0	247	Apr 8, 2008 by Jonie
	inform owners of vehicles about the problem (Preview) I found that Honda knows about the problem with the radio in all Accords 2003 and in some Accords 2004. They issued Service Bulletin in July 2004 that describes the problem. But they also decided not to inform owners of vehicles about the problem. Instead they wait for the problem to occur and if the car...	Alene	0	249	Apr 8, 2008 by Alene
	Radio is not broken (Preview) You didn't read carefuly. The radio is not broken. The radio works perfectly. I just cannot see what the station is radio on and what is the time. So if you didn't understand analogy I am sorry for you. I agree this is not crucial to driving a car but it is crucial, at least for me, who I will buy car from.	Lyndi	0	229	Apr 8, 2008 by Lyndi
	locating the burned-out light bulb (Preview) Exactly. That's what's frustrating to me -- I've seen nothing, anywhere, regarding anyone ever opening up the center stack, doing something along the lines of undoing three screws to take the unit out, unhooking a few cables, taking off the back cover (if any such thing even exists), locating the bu...	Alysha	0	231	Apr 8, 2008 by Alysha
	Lighting sysems for LCD screens (Preview) This, in my not so humble opinion, is inexcusable in this day and age. Lighting sysems for LCD screens are child's play - no valid reason why Alpine (or whoever is OEM'ing to Honda) can't design a more reliable system. I work in aerospace - trust me when I say that this sort of thing would have a bunch of fol...	Shevon	0	245	Apr 8, 2008 by Shevon
	the dealer changes entire units (Preview) If you are SO SURE it's just the light, why don't you open the unit yourself and change the bulbs? I've changed my fair share of bulbs in radio/audio/video equipment already. It's not really that hard and you can order replacement bulbs from mouser, digikey or even radioshack. I'm sorry, but I do think...	Francine	0	249	Apr 8, 2008 by Francine
	"replace the radio with refurbished" (Preview) You never have to get anything diagnosed by them.... you can go & say replace THIS part. In this case, "replace the radio with refurbished". The part has the same warranty as it would if THEY decided to replace it. Lots of people are "sure" they know what's wrong & just ha...	Meghan	0	18111	Apr 8, 2008 by Meghan
	It's NOT a minor repair but it IS a minor problem (Preview) That is the problem. It's NOT a minor repair but it IS a minor problem. I call that bad design. And whoever makes that unit, it is responsibility of Honda.My point is that they don't need to run any diagnostic for a problem that is very obvious and was already reported by who knows how many customers.	Homer	0	253	Apr 8, 2008 by Homer
	even Honda has quality problems (Preview) $300 is a pretty good deal for one of these radios. They're quite complex. That said, you might still lean on them a little harder on the price. I've read quite a few cases here and elsewhere of Honda splitting parts/labor or covering all parts/no labor for this problem. And it does seem as though they'v...	Brent	0	264	Apr 8, 2008 by Brent
	It's the whole audio system! (Preview) But it's NOT a minor repair! It's the whole audio system! It's tied into the climate control & all the things you aren't able to read on the screen. They can't just replace a bulb... they HAVE to replace the whole thing. It's not even made by Honda. So I guess it's Alpine or whoever made the box's fault...	Amedeus	0	243	Apr 8, 2008 by Amedeus
	it's your responsibility to pay for repairs (Preview) just because there are common problems, does not mean they get fixed free once you're out of warranty. sometimes they'll help you out and it's great when they will, but bottom line, if you're out of warranty, it's your responsibility to pay for repairs, although $95 to look at it is absolutely absurd....	Micheal	0	231	Apr 8, 2008 by Micheal
	Honda Accord 2003 EX - Clock/Radio/CD/Climate display Problem (Preview) I bought Honda Accord, model EX, in April 2003. The problem that occurred a few days ago was that backlight of Clock/Radio/CD/Climate display went off. Every component of the unit works properly, but I cannot see information on dashboard. I called my dealership and they told me that just to determin...	Marge	0	1451	Apr 8, 2008 by Marge
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