I Agree with the first statement.As for the second one, I think Honda is sandbagging Toyota. The 2008 Accord V6 was developed to be a class leader in terms of power output; it was rated at 273/250 hp/tq. Then at the last moment before the press embargo was lifted, Honda lowered the power rating to the EXACT same horsepower & torque specs as the Camry -- even down to the exact same RPM. Hmmm... Guess we'll have to wait until someone dynos a 2008 Accord V6 to know for sure.